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Old 01-13-2009, 04:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I located the stocking history on the twra website for all east tn lakes but I can't find any history on mid. tn lakes or west tn lakes. I found that only Norris lake has had largemouth stocked since the 50's and douglas did get some smallmouth a few years ago. I would have guessed Cherokee or Boone would have got stocked after the big fish kills they both had.
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I located the stocking history on the twra website for all east tn lakes but I can't find any history on mid. tn lakes or west tn lakes. I found that only Norris lake has had largemouth stocked since the 50's and douglas did get some smallmouth a few years ago. I would have guessed Cherokee or Boone would have got stocked after the big fish kills they both had.
Well just to let you in on some of the stocking by TWRA of Black Bass, They only have 1 hatchery dedicated to raising Largemouth bass which is also combined with Crappie and Bluegills and is small in size. The TWRA will tell you that they are letting the largemouth bass females do the restocking of Tennessee lakes and they plan on not really doing any at all. They will stock Smallmouths from time to time but only because it has finally earn the label as the State fish for Tennessee but they don't stock alot of those. They just increase the size limits on them so they can slow down the harvesting of them which is also a joke because the only way to control the harvesting of illegal fish of any species is to have enforcement officers on the lakes which of course most of us know does not happen. The lakes of east Tennessee get patrolled 50 times as much as the middle & West Tennessee areas do. Believe me when I say I know about the stocking programs as I fought them for 8 years to get Black Bass Stocking programs put in place in Tennessee and if you have ever stood and talked to a solid Block wall you got just as far as I did talking about stocking Black Bass to the TWRA. I even went as far as to walk into one of their meetings with money vouchers totalling $80,000.00 from big company sponsors to buy fish with to stock in our lakes. They asked me where I thought they should buy the bass and I said Alabama hatcheries would be fine and I was told that they could not purchase black bass from Alabama because they had no intentions of putting FOREIGN fish in Tennessee Lakes. Alabama Bass are evidently FOREIGN FISH??????????? I would say that was about the lamest excuse to just say NO I have ever heard but thats what they were saying. Not even with free money to buy them. That is how bad TWRA DOES NOT WANT a Bass Stocking Program in Tennessee. I have a ton of information about all of the research I did for 3 solid years about Bass stocking programs before I ever approached them and I promise you , until we have a total replacement of all the high ranking personnel in the TWRA there won't be any stocking programs to amount to anything bigger than farm ponds which I am refering to the TWRA private lakes that they charge folks to fish in like Marrow Bone Lake for the weekend warriors to fish in. I gave up fighting them two years ago. Until all of the SPECIAL INTEREST people are gone from TWRA it won't happen. Until you get fish biologists in the TWRA that know what they are doing instead of mouth piece politicians that call themselves fish biologists in the TWRA it won't happen. Believe me whan I say those folks up there know me and they don't like me.
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Old 01-16-2009, 05:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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First off thanks for the reply. 2nd thanks so much for trying to make our lakes in TN better. Do you think that big egos may be the problem. Are they to proud to say they might need some help. Is it that the Twra officials do not want to try the re-stocking because they feel they can fix the problem with twra ideas. Just wondering what you think.

I cant believe that they turned down that much money for free stocking that is a true shame. Myself and some other members of the Bloomingdale Bass club went to a local meeting twra held in Kingsport several years ago to ask if we could help start a restocking program for our area lakes. We were going to start a fund raising program with other local clubs and private and commercial donations. They also told us NO! The excuse at that time was the lakes could not handle any more bass, not enough shad population to sustain any more bass.

I have read articles in magazines where fishing clubs all accross the US have helped govt. agencies in restocking programs. I guess in TN fish just reproduce much better and they dont need help.
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I could write a book on the problems with the TWRA. It begins with A and ends with Z. To begin with the TWRA politicians do not want anyone rocking their Sweet Deal Meal they are enjoying. They don't have anyone setting guide lines for them to follow but themselves. That actually only have to answer to one person in the entire state and that is the Governor and he is way to busy covering up his own blunders to take on any more like that 8 million dollar meeting room in the basement of the mansion. I spent 3 solid years putting a presentation together and had a board of 6 anglers willing to go before the TWRA and present my program. I was even able to put the entire program together and have bass stocked in every reservoir in the state and not spend 1 dollar of TWRA money. I called and got an appointment with the director and three of his top officials set up for two weeks later and two of my board members put in requests for that day off from work and 3 days before the meeting I got an email with some trumpt up excuse why the meeting was going to have to be delayed and they rescheduled another meeting date for 3 weeks later and this time two different members of my team got off work for it and again about 3 days prior to the meeting it got cancelled again and rescheduled for a later date and this went on for 7 different attempts and 7 times they said that we could reschedule so I did but by then it was going to be just me because I stopped asking guys to take off from work. I want you to know that when the last meeting got cancelled it was done by email that arrived at my computer at 9:30PM the night before the 9AM meeting the following day and the email came from the computer of the director himself. Now you tell me how many State of Tennessee Directors of any department are at work on their computers at 9:30 at night unless it is to do things behind closed door that they don't want others to know about. I still have all of this information printed and documented along with all the other research I did. I realized right then that I was dealing with a dishonest person that had no intentions what so ever of meeting me face to face ever.

No to be beat I decided on another course of action and back doored him and went to the Governor himself and presented a plan for something totally different to the Governor and it included my plan and the Governor jumped on the deal and sent someone out to by me and one of my committee lunch and listen to what I had to say. Needless to say the man was thrilled with the idea and my program and contacted me 3 days later and told me that he had met with the Governor and went over my plan with him and I had the yes nod from Governor Bredesen so all it needed was for me to call the TWRA directors office and set up a meeting and tell them that the gentleman I met with would be attending the meeting and it was not to be cancelled under any conditions the meet was to take place. That was October 2006 and in November 2006 I suffered a heart attack and never made the call to set up the meeting because I was not going to give myself another heart attack by stressing myself out over it. So that is where it stands to this date. I thought about getting someone else to pick up the plight and I would be in the back ground but never have and now as tight as the state budgets are it would be prime time to get it done but just don't have the get up and go to do it any longer. And that is just the tip of an iceberg of problems of why we don't have a bass stocking program
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Just found number of dollars Tennessee will be recieving from the Feds in 2009 for the restocking of Game fish back in our lakes and rivers. $5,643,975.00 and you can bet only about $10,000.00 of that 5 million will get spent on Bass and that will be strictly for stocking Bass in all of the TWRA Pay Lakes for weekend warriors.
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UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish you could have hooked up with some kind of news agency or BASS to do a report on the conduct of twra. Great effort!
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UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish you could have hooked up with some kind of news agency or BASS to do a report on the conduct of twra. Great effort!
I have enough research to write a book on TWRA and their progresses and pitfalls
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I bet no matter how many times you schedule that appt with twra, they will cancel it every time. TWRA cannot stand tournament fisherman. I know because one of the guys I graduated with is a game warden and he has told me that before. Now in my opinion, there is no reason to hate anyone, but the TWRA does have some reason to disregard the opinions of tournament fishermen. They are constantly telling the TWRA how to do their job. Biologists have masters degrees in wildlife and fisheries management and they know the needs of a watershed. If you were a doctor with a phD, you wouldnt want a welder in the emergency room telling you how to do your job differently. The TWRA needs to manage the watershed for the use of the public, not for special interest groups. Tournament fishermen are a special interest group, therefore the TWRA will not put stock in our opinions. The reason that TWRA does not stock bass in reservoirs is because the biologist know that there are plenty of bass in every lake that reproduce just fine. I do not disagree with your theory on stocking fish and I would like to see them try it in a lake and see what happens. That is how science works, you form a hypothesis and test it. It may work in one habitat and not in another. If you stock a bunch of bass in TN lakes, they may be overpopulated and deplete their food resources. Or it may work. Or it may just create unbalanced populations and growth will be stunted. Stocking fish and wildlife can cause a whole lot of problems that you dont hear about. Its success stories are most often when something has been hunted or fished to extinction. For example, turkey stocking has been a great success. Another success is stocking trout in tailwaters. The temps are so cold that tailwaters are nearly void of strong fish populations, so they stock trout to give anglers more fishing opportunities. Ecosystems operate on a delicate balance, and often times when you throw off this balance even a little bit, things can go way wrong. Who would have thought that bringing a few carp over from the far east and putting them in ponds could potentially ruin big american rivers? Im not trying to say youre idea is wrong, im just saying that biologists are professionals, those jobs are VVEERRYY tough to get (intense interviews with extremely hard questions on every species of wildlife and fish that you can imagine), and they know what they are doing
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