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Old 01-10-2012, 01:54 PM   #21 (permalink)
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What do bass eat? Lakes arent native to this area either, I think we should drain them.
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White people are not native to east TN either. I think they should all go back to Europe and leave the bass, crappie and walleye alone.



Got anymore "not native" arguments, guys?
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I'm not native to this area. Do I need to leave or would one of you like to eat me instead?
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:07 PM   #24 (permalink)
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if you take a stance against striped bass. Don't be surprised if you blasted in a striper forum for voicing an opinion against stripers.



However, before you flame, I have a question. Have you ever used the Blue Flake Worm for stripers and hybrids? If not, you should. It is the best lure ever. Put that on your u-rig and troll it


Why would anyone take a stance against anyone else or there favorite species of fish? IF WE ALL WORKED TOGATHER LIFE WOULD BE BETTER FOR EVERYONE & WE COULD ACCOMPLISH A GREAT DEAL MORE. All I ask anyone to do is make sure the opinion is not just unbelievable nonsense intended to inflame someones emotions.

I have never used the Blue Flake Worm but would be open to try it or get you to show me how well it works for striper and hybrid. Stop by and talk at the Jacob's Bldg fishing show.
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Old 01-11-2012, 11:18 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I have personally seen crappie and bluegill cut out of rockfish and have heard of several people doing the same. I have also heard of small bass and walleye coming out of rockfish. I have never heard of anyone finding a crappie in any bass, smallmouth or largemouth. Bluegill yes, but not crappie. Not saying they won't eat a crappie, just much less likely and much less often than rockfish. In my opinion when they are feeding and they come upon a school of small fish, no matter the species, they eat.



My wife's grandfather fished for Rockfish using bluegill as bait, and caught hundreds of them over the years.



Is crappie and bluegill their PRIMARY diet, of course not. BUT I do strongly believe they have affected the bluegill and crappie populations over the years (see below study).



Douglas is the best Crappie lake in this region by far in my opinion, and I believe thats in part to having only a very small handful of Rockfish and them not being stocked there anymore.



I found an Alabama study in were 450 Rockfish were studied on the Coosa River by the ADWFF (Alabama Division of Wildlife Fisheries). 115 had empty stomachs, of remainign 335, 2,699 prey items were found. 6 were crappie and 5 were bluegill. Seems small right? If there is 100,000 Rockfish in Cherokee, and for every 450, six have eaten a crappie. 100,000 divided by 450 is 222.22. Take 222 and multiply by 6 crappie per 450 fish and that is 1332 crappie in ONE DAY. I doubt very seriously there is an average of 1332 crappie taken out of Cherokee by fisherman in a weeks time. Say they eat just once a week, which is extremely conservative. Take 52 weeks in a year and multiply by 1332 crappie, thats 69264 crappie eaten in a year by rockfish. AGAIN which is extremely conservative.



I find these numbers very hard to argue against that the Rockfish are not a reason for the decline in Crappie and Bluegill populations.



I am not saying that Rockfish shouldn't be allowed period. People love to catch them, as I love catching Walleye and Crappie. I just wish they weren't in all the surrounding lakes (except Douglas). I would like for them to be gone in either Norris or Cherokee one, that way the other might could bounce back in crappie and bluegill.
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Just get over it Jethro. I would eat more crappie in a years time than the striper if that is all could fish for.
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There is no point debating an idea that has been settled by numerous scientific studies (Moss, 2001; Miranda, 1998; Nash, 1987; Harper and Namminga, 1986; Gustaveson, 1985; Smollen, 1999 as well as many others. Google them.) All these studies conclude that striped bass have little to no impact on the population of other gamefish and baitfish. The conclusions of scientific studies are based on evidence, not "folk wisdom", "common sense" or what someone overheard at the local convenience store.



We rely on science and it's applications, namely technology and medicine, for nearly every aspect of our existence. The food we eat, the clothes we wear, the boats we drive, the tackle we use, the computer we hack away on, the medicine and medical procedures that keep us alive, ad. infinitum, are all products of science. It's painfully ironic that many people embrace science when they find it convenient but shun it when their preconceived notions are not supported.



Seriously, we may as well debate whether the Earth is flat.



Go catch a few striped bass. Cut out the red meat, bread it, fry it, enjoy it.
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There is no point debating an idea that has been settled by numerous scientific studies (Moss, 2001; Miranda, 1998; Nash, 1987; Harper and Namminga, 1986; Gustaveson, 1985; Smollen, 1999 as well as many others. Google them.) All these studies conclude that striped bass have little to no impact on the population of other gamefish and baitfish. The conclusions of scientific studies are based on evidence, not "folk wisdom", "common sense" or what someone overheard at the local convenience store.



We rely on science and it's applications, namely technology and medicine, for nearly every aspect of our existence. The food we eat, the clothes we wear, the boats we drive, the tackle we use, the computer we hack away on, the medicine and medical procedures that keep us alive, ad. infinitum, are all products of science. It's painfully ironic that many people embrace science when they find it convenient but shun it when their preconceived notions are not supported.



Seriously, we may as well debate whether the Earth is flat.



Go catch a few striped bass. Cut out the red meat, bread it, fry it, enjoy it.


If you don't think Rockfish eating over 70,000 crappie a year isn't affecting the population of them, you're foolish.
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Just get over it Jethro. I would eat more crappie in a years time than the striper if that is all could fish for.


Thats all you got to say about Rockfish eating that much Crappie (and probably much more because those estimates were conservative) in a years time???? You could eat 70,000 crappie in a years time if thats all you did is fish for them?????





You have to admit Ezell that those kind of numbers take a toll on the population, esp. spread over years of doing so.
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Back a lot of years ago, at the end of the 3 year moritorium on stocking rockfish, TWRA asked us fishermen to get into groups & form a plan to help the fishing in Norris. They had University of Missouri(?) give the facts. They showed a graph of the decline of crappie. I then asked them to put the overlay of stocking of rockfish over the crappie graph. They didn't want to until we insisted. The results showed that the more rockfish, the less crappie. We suggested that ONE MORE YEAR without stocking rockfish since the crappie were starting back. Bill Reeves (TWRA) replied" since your group didn't come up with a plan, we're stocking 4.3 rockfish per acre this next year" There were 6 groups, 3 for & 3 against. It's all about MONEY! By the way J_Dub, Heindeckie Lake in Central Illinois -I used to catch plenty of walleye there. Then, they stocked rockfish. Now, you can't BUY a walleye there! That was 25 years ago-- and still the same----- dada 1-11-12 9PM
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